Hagan is doing a guide to Classic Doctor Who. The whole thing! This is Season 22.
July 28, 2014
Categories: AQG2CW (A Quick Guide to Classic Who), TV Reviews, Twatty Who Reviews . Tags:A Quick Guide to Classic Who, AQG2CW, Doctor Who, Season 22, tv review . Author: Diamandahagan
So much Blake’s 7 people …
I am very surprised that you didn’t talk about how the Doctor straight up kills a person in THE TWO DOCTORS. The Doctor ambushes Shockeye, covers his head with a butterfly net and KILLS him with some cotton wool soaked in CYANIDE! The Doctor even leaves the cyanide on Shockeye’s face to make sure he’s dead! And to make it even worse the Doctor cracks an after the kill one-liner like he’s freakin’ James Bond. No, “I’m sorry. I’m so sorry” here, instead we get, “Your just Deserts.” as the Doctor stands over the dead body! This episode proves that Number 6 was a very different kind of Doctor.
He really wasn’t a different type of doctor. One of the things Iv tried to do is point out that The Classic Who Doctor is an unrepentant killer. I think the only Doc from 63-89 who didnt kill onscreen was 1 (who was barely stopped from clubbing a cavemans head in). I didnt mention Shockeyes death because the 2 Doctors section was already enormously long.
I’d say the after-kill one-liners mark him out as different. The Doctor will kill when he thinks it’s necessary, but making jokes at the expense of the guy dissolving in a pool of acid? That’s a different matter entirely.
in his defence the 6th doc never imprisoned people for all eternity. If you go by the big finish Dramas (which I do) the 6th is quite the gentle fellow.
“If you go by the big finish Dramas (which I do) the 6th is quite the gentle fellow.”
I’ve heard that can happen if you cut someone’s knackers off.
true, overall his performance is better but he does lose some of his “edge” from the TV version. Its gets glaring when characters say he is difficult when I’m thinking “he really isn’t” but at least they gave him some great stories.
“I am very surprised that you didn’t talk about how the Doctor straight up kills a person in THE TWO DOCTORS. The Doctor ambushes Shockeye, covers his head with a butterfly net and KILLS him with some cotton wool soaked in CYANIDE! The Doctor even leaves the cyanide on Shockeye’s face to make sure he’s dead!”
As I remember it, the sixth Doctor, after having had his leg slashed open, was being chased by a knife brandishing cannibal, who intended to kill, cook and eat him. So the Doctor’s actions here were a clear case of self-defence. Now how does this compare to the forth Doctor wandering around Gallifrey in THE INVASION OF TIME, randomly shooting down Sontarans with a massive disintegrator gun?
“And to make it even worse the Doctor cracks an after the kill one-liner like he’s freakin’ James Bond.”
Well, the first Doctor does something similar in THE REIGN OF TERROR when, after beating a man unconscious with a spade, he wisecracks ‘Good day to you, sir! Pleasant dreams.’ Equally, on finding the dead body of Marcus Scarman in PYRAMIDS OF MARS, the forth Doctor quips rather insensitively ‘His late brother must have called.’ The fifth Doctor also wasn’t too concerned about delivering the odd tasteless joke, in THE AWAKENING, when Chandler tells him ‘They burn Queen of the May,’ the Doctor responds with ‘The toast of Little Hodcombe,’ which causes Chandler to reply, ‘Tain’t funny. She were screaming.’
In fact the Doctor is pretty callous about death generally. In THE ARMAGEDDON FACTOR, the forth Doctor shouts ‘What a shot, Marshal! Ha, ha, well shot!’ when his nuclear missiles strike the Shadow’s planet, killing him his followers, and in DEATH TO THE DALEKS, the third Doctor, when watching a mechanical snake attack and destroy a Dalek, calls out ‘Oh, good shot, sir. A hit! Yes, a palpable hit!’
Finally, at end of TERROR OF THE AUTONS, a story where the Master is responsible for killing loads of innocent people, we have this exchange between the third Doctor, the Brigadier and Jo:
BRIGADIER: Think he’ll turn up again, Doctor?
DOCTOR: yes, bound to.
JO: You don’t seem very worried about it.
DOCTOR: I’m not. As a matter of fact, Jo, I’m rather looking forward to it.
And, indeed, the Master does turn up again, kills another stack load of people, and tries to set off World War 3.
“Now how does this compare to the forth Doctor wandering around Gallifrey in THE INVASION OF TIME, randomly shooting down Sontarans with a massive disintegrator gun?”
The Doctor only uses The Demat Gun twice in THE INVASION OF TIME, once to save Leela, K9, Borusa, Rodan, Andred and himself. The second time he uses it is to save the ENTIRE GALAXY. At no time did he wander around Gallifrey randomly shooting down Sontarans.
“The Doctor only uses The Demat Gun twice in THE INVASION OF TIME,”
That we see on screen, but there were more than two Sontarans on Gallifrey, so where did the other ones go if the Doctor didn’t wander around the place randomly shooting them down?
“once to save Leela, K9, Borusa, Rodan, Andred and himself.”
Basically, in this scene a Sontaran turns up in the doorway, and the Doctor, without a seconds thought, shoots him dead. As his gun was much bigger than the Sontaran had, couldn’t he have at least made an attempt to take him prisoner?
“The second time he uses it is to save the ENTIRE GALAXY.”
Which means we have a story where the Doctor defeats the enemy, no through brain power, but by shooting him.
Oh, wow! I’m schocked to find out that the only one I did not see in this was Revelation of the Daleks. I will watch that one, since I am a big Dalek fan, and I will hold on to the fact that Dalek mania never died out!
Attack of the Cybermen – I love this episode. With all honesty, this is my favorite Cyberman story, by far. It puts Earthshock as my second favorite.
Mark of the Rani – I thought this was just okay.
The Two Doctors – I was really hyped up about this one, since I am a big fan of the Second Doctor. But this is one of the worst stories I have ever seen in this show. It feels tiring all the way through, the Sontarans in this one is still the worst design for them. and I couldn’t bare to watch Patrick Troughton have such cravings for human meat. This was just a miserable watch for me. As for season 6B, I have to look that up. Do you know where I can find the source for that?
Timelash – I forgotten a lot about this story. However, the tall blue guy just looks stupid to me.
Vengance of Varos – I’m with you on this one. I think it’s okay too.
You know i just realized something, any time Doctor Who uses the word Time in an episode title, the episode is crap, unless the title is an alternate name for someone or a different force balances it out
Time Meddler and time Warrior are alternate names for the Monk and Links (probable spelled that wrong)
Time Crash and Space Time aren’t TV episodes
Time of Angles and several 1rst Doctor stories are multi parters
Time of the Doctor has “of the Doctor” thing t cancel it out
But: Time Monster, Invasion of Time, Time Flight, Timelash, Time and the Rani, Dimensions in Time, The End of Time, and Closing Time are all crap.
Just something i noticed
I think “Time Crash” and “The Time of the Doctor” are pretty crap as well.
Overlong or not, the scripting session gag alone is enough to make the entire video worth watching.
I forgot to ask, what do you think about John Nathan Turner?
I think he should have left after Season 21 and reigns shoulda been handed to a new producer.
Another good edition of the guide, although perhaps a bit overlong, anyway, here are my comments:
“Traditionally stories had the Doctor getting directly involved in the action near the end of episode 1,.but some of the writers on Season 22 were still in that mindset and so the Doctor often only really gets involved near the end of episode one.. or halfway through the story.”
I Don’t’ think this had anything to do with the length of episode. It more likely comes from the “Androzani” effect, in that having had a sure fire hit with that adventure, various stories in Season 22 tried to ape its success by copying various elements. So as there was a greater emphasis on guest characters in “Androzani,” more room was made in later stories to do the same. This lead to a longer set-up, and made the Doctor less the focus for attention, but that’s not actually a bad thing.
“The best example of this is ‘Revelation of the Daleks’ where Peri and the Doctor spend 45 minutes wandering around in the snow.”
Actually this was down to writer Eric Saward not being too keen on Colin Baker.
“we start with ‘Attack of the cybermen.’ Yet another story where they
spend some time being mysterious about the identity of the villains,
unaware that the title has already spoiled it.”
This was down to Producer John Nathan-Turner wanting to get the word “Cybermen” put into the title so he could gain maximum publicity for the new season. Originally the story was called ‘The Cold War.’
“But like pretty much all of this season it’s not that great. Sorry. This
season has 3 settings. Crap, less crap and okay. Id file this under
This plays into the old myth that Colin Baker’s Doctor wasn’t a success because his stories in Season 22 were bad. However, these stories are no worse, on the whole, then the ones Davison got. I think this rational came about as a way for fandom to explain to itself why Doctor Who had been suspended (of course, the real reason was because Michael Grade hated the programme, and had done so for many years).
“even the Sontarans are as pointless as they are terrible looking”
They are terrible looking, but they aren’t pointless, as their involvement, and desire to get time travel technology, it central to the plot.
“And so that brings me to … A DRAMATISATION”
Not too keen on this as it’s factually inaccurate on so many points its acutally misleading. Here are some examples:
1/Eric Saward commissioned the scripts, not JNT, so this conversation between the Producer and Robert Holmes could never have happened.
2/ Homes was asked to write three forty-five minute episodes from the get go.
3) The Sontarans were always meant to be in it.
4/ The idea of making food a plot point came about after Holmes was told that location filming was going to take place in New Orleans.
5/ JNT didn’t decide to arbitarily change the filming location to Spain because Holmes was planning a holiday there. In reality, when New Orleans proved too expensive, JNT originally suggested Venice as an alternative. It was Production Associate Sue Anstruther who suggested Spain.
6/ Robert Holmes died from Hepatitis, not from the workload caused through rewriting ‘The Three Doctors’ (alternatively it was the Curse of Kamelion that killed him, as Kamelion’s last appearance was in episode four of “The Caves of Androzani”).
“Season 6b also explains… why the 2nd Doctor has a Tardis recall device in ‘The Two Doctor’. A Tardis recall device that the 6th Doctor had always wanted. He was given it by the Time Lords to make
him a more efficient agent.”
But it doesn’t explain why, when Pertwee turns up, he doesn’t have one fitted to his Tardis, or why the Sixth Doctor says ‘A Stattenheim remote control? Where did you get that? I’ve always wanted one of those,”‘ because being the sixth Doctor, he had previously owned one during his term as the Second Doctor. Finally, if also doesn’t explain why Doctors Two and Six are so happy with the dea of a remote control unit for the Tardis, as the Second Doctor says in ‘The War Games,’ that remot control of a Tardis was “impossible to achieve without shortening the life of the time control units.”
“The season has a reputation for extreme violence and it is more violent than usual but I’m really not sure it’s any more violent than any of the Hinchcliffe seasons.”
All the stuff you may hear about Doctor Who being suspended because it was overtly violent is rubbish invented after the fact. The reason for the violence increase in Season 22 was because that particular series was originally meant to appear later in the Saturday scheduling, at 6.40, not at 5.20. However, it was then swapped at the last moment with The Laughter Show. So for Michael Grade to attack Doctor Who for being too violent is daft, as it’s only volent because the production team were told it was appearing in a later time slot. Of course, we are talking about 1985 here, and the level of violence on display in Season 22 wouldn’t be acceptable today at 6.40, but that’s down to changing tastes, and the fact that we’ve all gone soft.:p
– Why did JNT wanted to call it ‘The Cold War?’ I don’t remember seeing any elements of the cold war anywhere. Is it the las part of the story? You know, I forgotten about how stupid the alien race in that story looked like to me. I know that aliens have to look different, but why did these aliens have mustaches and acted like women? I really want to know, because I don’t want to sound like a jerk on my favorite Colin Baker story.
“This plays into the old myth that Colin Baker’s Doctor wasn’t a success because his stories in Season 22 were bad. However, these stories are no worse, on the whole, then the ones Davison got. I think this rational came about as a way for fandom to explain to itself why Doctor Who had been suspended (of course, the real reason was because Michael Grade hated the programme, and had done so for many years).”
– Michale Grade thought the show was stupid, and he got his wish by airing it at the same time as Coronation Street. What a guy.
“5/ JNT didn’t decide to arbitarily change the filming location to Spain because Holmes was planning a holiday there. In reality, when New Orleans proved too expensive, JNT originally suggested Venice as an alternative. It was Production Associate Sue Anstruther who suggested Spain.”
– Two things:
1. If this did film in New Orleans, then this would have beaten the TV movie, made both Daleks Take Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks more dumber than it already was, for not even thinking about shooting it in New York, made The Impossible Astronaut look unoriginal at this point for actually being in the US, and………..uh, I don’t know what to say about Angels in Manhattan. You can come up with something if you want.
2. I would have love to see the Two Doctors take place in Venice, since that area is well known for their food.
As for the violence in Doctor Who, I can’t help but disagree with that being a problem. You can’t just limit the subject matter for your audience, because at this point, your audience isn’t just kids anymore. There are also adults who have been watching this show for over 20 years already, That’s not to say that you should have nothing but the same violence from The Terminator. I’m just saying that you shouldn’t always make violence as the main issue,unless if it’s mindless violence. That’s where I draw the line in this subject.
“– Why did JNT wanted to call it ‘The Cold War?’”
He didn’t. That was the author’s original title.
“I don’t remember seeing any elements of the cold war anywhere.”
Evidently “The Cold War” referred not to the East/West conflict, but to a war that involved elements that were cold, like for example, the Cybermen’s ice tombs. Or the fact that Vastial exploded and Cryons boilded at room temperture. In earlier versions of the script the Cryons were supposed to be the original inhabitants, not of Telos, but of Halley’s comet, and that’s a pretty cold place.
“but why did these aliens have mustaches and acted like women?”
Perhaps they acted like women because they were played by women? The addition of the “mustaches” was probably an attempt to hide the join between the mask and the face of the actor, that and possibly a rather non-PC attempt to reflect that the Cryons were all lesbians. Here’s the KC review: http://www.kaldorcity.com/features/articles/attack.html
“Michale Grade thought the show was stupid, and he got his wish by airing it at the same time as Coronation Street. What a guy.”
The Coronation Street timeslot was more Jonathan Powell’s doing. Powell believed JNT was behind the press campaign to keep the show on the air, so wanted to punish him for it. Powell had agreed to cancel Doctor Who as a way of sucking up to Michael Grade, so when he was forced to reinstate the programme, he was really pissed about it. Did you know that suspending Doctor Who actually cost the BBC a lot of money? All the scripts that had been commissioned for the aborted Season 23 had to be paid for, as did all the actors and production staff that had been given contracts. Colin Baker, Nichola Bryant, Eric Saward and JNT were all paid in full for twenty-six episodes of Doctor Who that were never produced.
“uh, I don’t know what to say about Angels in Manhattan. You can come up with something if you want.”
I can’t think of anything either. It’s a very forgettable story.
I can’t think of anything either. It’s a very forgettable story.
– Why don’t you like it, Alan? I was rated to be one of the best episodes of the last season!
Correction: I was meant to say “It was rated” instead of “I was rated”
“– Why don’t you like it, Alan?”
I can’t really remember much about it. I probably didn’t like it at the time because it contained to much stupidity. Like the Statue of Liberty managing to walk unobserved through the streets of Manhattan.
” I was rated to be one of the best episodes of the last season!”
Really? By Whom?
“I can’t really remember much about it. I probably didn’t like it at the time because it contained to much stupidity. Like the Statue of Liberty managing to walk unobserved through the streets of Manhattan.”
– No argument here. I remember how everyone thought that seeing the weeping angels possessing the Statue of Liberty, saying that it was scary, and yet no one can explain the logic behind how that works.
1. The statue is way too big to fit in-between the buildings in New York City.
2. The statue is way too loud for everyone to hear, which means everyone will wake up and look at it. Which brings me to-
3. How in the world can no one see you in one of the most populated cities in the world? People are constantly doing things in that city. And yes, I am aware of the fact that times were different back then, where people slept a little earlier than today, but don’t tell me that there aren’t any patrol officers roaming around the city.
My first reaction to that was pretty much a hard facepalm for me.
“Really? By Whom?”
IMDB – http://www.imdb.com/list/ls008260720/
“This was a fitting end to a golden era, and bravo to Steven Moffat for telling such an involving, emotional story with such style” – Dan Martin – The Guardian
“”‘The Angels Take Manhattan’ brought this mini-run of the series to a close with easily the best episode of the five…” – Gavin Fuller – The Daily Telegraph
Even The Last Angry Geek gave it 5 TARDISes out of 5.
Do I need to present you so more? And by the way, I don’t think that Angels Take Manhattan was the worst of season 7. I think Asylum of the Daleks is worse:
The Angels Take Manhattan’ brought this mini-run of the series to a close with easily the best episode of the five…” – Gavin Fuller – The Daily Telegraph
Do I need to present you so more?”
No, you’ve convinced me. Clearly the world is full of idiots.
“And by the way, I don’t think that Angels Take Manhattan was the worst of season 7. I think Asylum of the Daleks is worse:”
I quite liked Asylum of the Daleks, although I’d agree that it also contained a lot of stupid. I think the one I disliked the most was the one with the robot cowboy. I found it so boring, I can’t even be bothered to google the title.
I’ve now seen “Deep Breath.” The good news is the Peter Capaldi is excellent and Jenna Coleman has also improved. Clara sees to work as a character much better with this new Doctor than she did with Matt Smith. The script also has some good lines, and, for some reason, there are loads of visual and dialogue references to the Jon Pertwee era. Bad news is that the story pacing is glacial and comprises of plot elements we have all seen far too many times before.
I’ve read the scripts of the first two episodes and then didn’t read the next three because I got into it and didn’t actually want to spoil it for myself.
There’s a certain moment in “into the Dalek” where the doctor doesn’t act cold per say, more purely pragmatic and then makes a joke about someone’s death. I’m pleased their taking such a risk because I can see people being turned off by that.
“Into the Dalek” appears to be a rehash of the episode “Dalek” from Ne Who season one. Am I right?
oh yes, I noticed that, who wouldn’t?, lone, damaged Dalek a insight in to the Doctors dark side but it looks enjoyable anyway, it does do enough things differently.
The thing is, I love the Daleks. Although I think “The Chase,” “Planet of the Daleks,” “Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks” and “Victory of the Daleks” are awful, I still enjoy them, because even in a debased form, the story formula Nation/Whitaker devised back in 1963, is still an intriguing and powerful one.
– I kind of like that one slightly better than Dalek, but that’s just me. Maybe it’s because it has a Doctor who is NOT Eccleston, and a companion who is NOT Rose. However, I also know that I liked it better than “Deep Breath,” which I thought it was okay.
“The thing is, I love the Daleks. Although I think “The Chase,” “Planet of the Daleks,” “Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks” and “Victory of the Daleks” are awful, I still enjoy them, because even in a debased form, the story formula Nation/Whitaker devised back in 1963, is still an intriguing and powerful one.”
– I agree with you on all of the things that you said, except for “Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks.” being enjoyable. I thought that was just too stupid for me. But yeah, the rest are enjoyable for me.
As it turned out “inside the Dalek” wasn’t a rehash after all. I really enjoyed it. As for Eccleston’s Doctor, I liked him, and wish he’d stayed on. Rose, I liked in the first season, but not in the second. I think the character worked well with Eccleston’s Doctor, but not so well with Tennant.
Speaking of Daleks, I finally saw Revelation of the Daleks, and even though I thought it was good, I kind of struggle to call it a Dalek story. I see plenty of Davros and the humans that live and work on that planet, but not too many Daleks. Was that the main intent?
“I see plenty of Davros and the humans that live and work on that planet, but not too many Daleks. Was that the main intent?”
I think there was an idea circulating around that time that the Daleks were boring, and you needed Davros to make their stories interesting. Consequently, by “Revelation of the Daleks” the Daleks themselves had become background figures, with much of their agency taken over by Davros himself. However, the truth is that Dalek stories almost always have a human/humanoid character to speak for them and interpret their actions, whether it be Mavic Chen, Theodore Maxtible, or Dan Galloway, so trying to replace the Daleks with Davros was basically a redundant, silly and somewhat limiting idea.
Would the title work if they used Davros’ name to replace Dalek, since he’s in the episode more?
Let’s see, “Revelation of the Davros.” Nope, doesn’t work.
Drop “the” and you get “Revelation of Davros.” Doesn’t work for ya? SCREW YOU!!!! It works for me!
“Revelation of Davros” sounds like he’s going to get his dick out.
BWAHASHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I just came up with a title for a Dr. Loo sequel.
“Resurrection of Davros” would be better.
No argument here.
Beautiful video on one heck of an underrated doctor/actor!
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