A Quick Guide to Classic Who 1989 – 2005 (Television)

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In the Quick Guides second last episode Hagan talks about Doctor Who on Television during the ‘wilderness years’ of 1989 until 2005.

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  1. Another wonderful video regarding official-non-canon productions of Doctor Who. Well worth the wait, and with another very nice selection of clips.

    Now, regarding the point you brought up with the Curse of Fatal Death: you bring up a very good, very strong point. However, I do believe there are other factors involved in the romance between the Twelth Doctor and Missy (even if, as you noted, Missy was the only one into it). Though the show does go to pains to distinguish that Time Lords don’t view gender as humans do and that they can change sex, and the Doctor has kissed men before as well as women…we haven’t really seen that many Time Lords outside of the Doctor and the Master.

    Furthermore, while the BBC seem to be fine with the Doctor kissing the aforementioned men and women, and Missy, there may be some taboos regarding the Doctor kissing, say, the John Sim incarnation of the Master. Even if tehre was a sexual-sort of tension between Ten and John-Sim’s Master, the Master there was…well, the Joker. It was likely not going to be considered great by parents if a mass murderer and the wholesome Doctor kissed or showed romantic interest (even if the show did make their attraction rather blatant) Even though we got a character like Jack Harkness, and same-sex couples have been depicted in the show as guest characters, they were temporary – the Doctor…well, is kind of a permanent figure, even if the incarnations aren’t.

    The Master becoming the Mistress means that it’s more publicly friendly for the Doctor to show some interest (and Missy alternating between previous Master behavior and showing more open reverence for the Doctor and his interests, no matter how twisted), more hetero-normative. It also served as a twist that served Moffat’s aforementioned statements of Time Lords gender identities and sexualities. It isn’t nice, but with some luck we may get another villainous Time Lady (the Rani or some new one) whom Missy will have some romance with…even if Missy backstabs her or somesuch. Or would that be worse?

    Bleh, I hate these kinds of politics.

    • Taiko said “Another wonderful video regarding official-non-canon productions”

      There has been no official statement that these productions are non-canon.

  2. A Fix with Sontarans – 1. Tegan just looks too weird for her hair to grow out like that. For me, that is.

    2. The comparisons between this and The Sontaran Stratagem/Poison Sky blew my mind. If I were to do a review of that two parter, I wouldn’t call it terrible, since I can’t find enough bad for me to call it that. It’s not great either, but there was enough for me to safely say that I like it.

    3. as for the costume that Jenkins wore, it really makes me wonder how rare it was for fans to buy them during the 80s.

    4. Seeing both the Doctor and Tegan’s reaction when seeing Jimmy on the screen made me burst into laughter!

    5. as for Gareth saying that he saw the Doctor use the TARDIS on TV, does this mean that the Doctor can possibly travel into our universe and see the love and joy of the fans and those who made Doctor Who great, as well as the hatred and rants of the fans and those who are wrecking Doctor Who today? *COUGH* RUSSELL!!!! *COUGH* MOFFAT!!!! *COUGH* If that’s so, I would be curious as to seeing the Doctor’s reaction.

    Dimensions in Time – First of all, I’ve seen this all the way through. Both you and Nash are not wrong about this. I kind of forgotten all about the movie that you mentioned, but that’s probably for the best. Secondly, I still hope that you won’t review Stolen Earth/Journey’s End. As a matter in fact, do it. I might have fun pointing out why I still enjoy that two parter a lot. And just to make things fair, I will point out what I didn’t like. Yes, most of it will always point back to Rose. From what I have heard, the exterior that the Rani was in in this special could be what the TARDIS looks like without the shielding and without the chameleon circuit on, but Steven Moffat made it look like the bottom half of Squidward’s house. So now nobody can use that as a defense for how the tip of the Titanic crashed into the TARDIS anymore. Or that theory can be wrong in every case.

    The TV movie – Like I said, I still love this movie! I don’t care what anyone tells me to not like this one. Paul McGann, to me, does a great job as the Doctor, but I’m still interested with seeing how this role could have turned out if Leonard Nimoy did become the Doctor. Maybe that could have explained the half-human part as a reference, rather than trying to spread controversy that I still try to defend. To be fair, has the Doctor never uncheck the scanner before. I know that this is a repeated thing in New Who, but this just doesn’t bother me. Sometimes I see it here and there, but I never complain about. Okay, maybe once or twice in my lifetime. But as for your defense on this occasion, YES! If I was given a TARDIS and was able to choose how it would look on the inside, it would be this. And I would also add in the bats inside of it too, like in the movie, because that’s just cool. Anyone’s argument as to saying why that is stupid is stupid. Now, what do I think about Eric Roberts as the Master? He’s my 4th favorite incarnation, followed by Anthony Ainley, Roger Delgado, and Derek Jacobi as my #1. “I always dress for the occasion” is one of my favorite lines to quote! I love it! Even Josh Hadley loved his role as the Master, and Roberts tried to walk away from him out of shame by being reminded about that incarnation. The music in this movie works a lot better than it does in New Who, mainly because it’s a movie. It should sound epic. And even though I like Murray Gold just fine, I do agree with most people that its time to get a new composer. They should really get the composers from BFA. As for the movie being so 90s, I don’t have a problem with that, since I’m a 90s kid anyway. And as usual, I can’t go on about this movie without saying too much. It’s by my law that I must do so!

    Curse of Fatal Death – I like some of this, but I will admit that the humor kind of fades away from me. Not only that, but now that I have seen and put too much thought into the things that Moffat has recycled from this into New Who, they’re really hard to ignore, making this special next to impossible for me to enjoy as a comedy sketch. Rowan Atkinson was enjoyable in this as the Doctor. He always wanted to be the Doctor, and he got his chance! Before Julia Sawalha played the role as Emma, she was offered a role to be as the Doctor’s companion during the 80s, but turned it down, only because she didn’t like the show at the time. Knowing that does make me wonder which companion she could have been back then.

    Doctor Who Night – Yeah, I think I can accept his incarnation in this special to think that he was the future incarnation in Day of the Doctor. Why not? He’s credited as the Doctor on IMDb, and Sydney Newman wanted Troughton to play as 7.

    I am looking forward for your next episode. I am dying for some recommendations for novels that I can start off with, as well as more recommendations for the audio dramas.

    • During a 2012 Twitter exchange Gareth Jenkins was asked “Did you ever lead that resistance movement in 2001?” He replied “No – still ready though should the hour come!”

    • javi1003 said “The TV movie – Like I said, I still love this movie! I don’t care what anyone tells me to not like this one.”

      If that’s true, you’ll love 33 Stupid Things about Doctor Who: The American Telemovie With No Name: http://www.kaldorcity.com/features/articles/telemovie.html

      • 7 – You, Paul, and Fiona do know that this movie was taken place in San Fransisco and not in LA, right? Plus, why wouldn’t he sniff Jelly Babies? They smell delicious.

        12 – I’m happy to see that the both of us enjoys Eric Roberts as the Master. If I haven’t had seen more of Anthony Ainley’s role as the Master, Roberts still could have been my 3rd favorite. I mean, how many people do you know would ever be bold enough to look like this:

        And say this:

        19 – The religious allegories is at least well done to the point that it’s not screaming in front of your face, but I can see why it was an issue for some when it comes to Doctor Who. It’s definitely not the first time the show ever touched upon the subject, but at least the subject is a rare thing to do, not doing it in every single season.

        21 – I never saw the comparison with the hairstyle either. I guess that the Doctor tried his hardest to keep it.

        24 – some have theorized that a timelord can make themselves super strong during regeneration, but I can’t say about that to confirm it. However, I can kind of understand how that would be possible. Maybe his regeneration process is trying to stabilize his anatomy, but that would make me throw out some random theories about regeneration that could upset Hagan, since she doesn’t like that kind of thing.

        26 – …..yeah, I still don’t understand why that room in particular was a huge mess to begin with. I would like to see a future Who story have a scene where someone tries to kill the Doctor’s past incarnation (again), but only this time have like a fight scene go one at the same time in that room, and then reappear into a different time zone, and then show the Doctor walk into that room.

        27 – Alan, you just don’t question the logic behind Tom’s scarf. It has powers that can appear anywhere in time and space. It was probably a piece that was shot off from Androids of Tara, taken, fixed, and passed down to the guy who wears it. Problem solved.

        29 & 32 – But you have to admit that it’s still a good design for the man. I even liked seeing Matt Smith dress up almost like him in the second half of season 7, which is one of the few good things I can say about that season.

        34 – It could be possible that before “The Deadly Assassin” was hidden from every timelord inside of each and every TARDIS, but I would like to see this reason alone be revisited one of these days.

        35 – I’m afraid that this has been abandoned due to the events of the Time War.

        36 – Maybe that it was never forgotten, but was kept secret of anything that has to do with Omega, since Galifrey might of not wanted to associate themselves with such a being.

        39 – As if they couldn’t do that in New Zealand, the one country that is well known for starting their day before anyone else.

        40 – BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        41 – I don’t understand why it just has to be in a human form. This is like if the Green Lantern corps is only designated to use only those who look like human beings. I’m saying that would just be speciesist (Hagan copyrighted only), but that, to me, would lack some imagination. I’m fine with timelords regenerating into some other species.

        42 – Whatever. The 11th’s TARDIS console had WAY MORE Earth related stuff in it than what we have seen in this movie.

        44 – But Alan, that worked because he spit some timelord DNA on her, which means that her face just works like a sponge, soaking up the DNA to immediately have her brain take up the spit to become more intelligent than ever before. After all, every elementary kid in the 90s knew that, especially for me, which pays to be a 90s kid.

        48 – Really? You’re asking a movie that was made by the same company that supported Futurama to do the same thing 3 years later on why everywhere in the world is still at midnight?

        50 – I showed my brother this one once he got back home. We both had some fun reading this part. Even the part with Nixon and the motorbike.

        Even with the mistakes, the movie is still hard for me to dislike. If you can’t view it as a good movie, then try to view it like “Plan 9 from Outer Space,” where they tried to make a really good movie, end up failing, but is still entertaining at the same time.

      • javi1003 said: “7 – You, Paul, and Fiona do know that this movie was taken place in San Fransisco and not in LA,”

        It actually took place in Vancouver ;), but seriously, thanks for pointing that out. It has now been corrected.

        “7 – Plus, why wouldn’t he sniff Jelly Babies? They smell delicious.”

        Because you’re supposed to eat them, not inhale them.

        “19 – The religious allegories is at least well done to the point that it’s not screaming in front of your face,”

        It stuck me as pretty blatant.

        “29 & 32 – But you have to admit that it’s still a good design for the man.”

        I never liked his costume. I thought he looked like an overdressed idiot.

        “34 – It could be possible that before The Deadly Assassin was hidden from every timelord inside of each and every TARDIS,”

        Why and by whom? Also, that would suggest that the Time Lords haven’t built any new Tardises for thousands of years, and yet the Doctor’s is an old Type 40.

        “36 – Maybe that it was never forgotten, but was kept secret of anything that has to do with Omega, since Galifrey might of not wanted to associate themselves with such a being.”

        It was actually more to do with Rassilon. Equally, Omega, according to The Three Doctors, is a legendary hero to the Time Lords, and if the politicking in The Deadly Assassin is anything to go by, then any stuff about Omega trying to come back and being defeated by the Doctor would be covered up. In The Deadly Assassin, the Doctor is an almost forgotten figure, which would suggest that the events of The Three Doctors have never been made public.

        “41 – I don’t understand why it just has to be in a human form. This is like if the Green Lantern corps is only designated to use only those who look like human beings. I’m saying that would just be speciesist (Hagan copyrighted only), but that, to me, would lack some imagination. I’m fine with timelords regenerating into some other species.”

        Not sure what you’re getting at here. The Master turned into a snake thing.

        “44 – But Alan, that worked because he spit some timelord DNA on her, which means that her face just works like a sponge, soaking up the DNA to immediately have her brain take up the spit to become more intelligent than ever before. After all, every elementary kid in the 90s knew that, especially for me, which pays to be a 90s kid.”

        You don’t get your science from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

        “Even with the mistakes, the movie is still hard for me to dislike. If you can’t view it as a good movie, then try to view it like “Plan 9 from Outer Space,” where they tried to make a really good movie, end up failing, but is still entertaining at the same time.”

        I prefer not to think of it at all. To me it’s not Doctor Who, and part of what’s wrong with Nu Who is that they used this god awful thing as a template.

      • “Because you’re supposed to eat them, not inhale them.”

        I just looked at the jelly babies again, and the Doctor was trying to inhale the thin layer of powder that are on them. Hey, a man has to live a little sometimes.

        “Why and by whom? Also, that would suggest that the Time Lords haven’t built any new Tardises for thousands of years, and yet the Doctor’s is an old Type 40.”

        “It was actually more to do with Rassilon. Equally, Omega, according to The Three Doctors, is a legendary hero to the Time Lords, and if the politicking in The Deadly Assassin is anything to go by, then any stuff about Omega trying to come back and being defeated by the Doctor would be covered up. In The Deadly Assassin, the Doctor is an almost forgotten figure, which would suggest that the events of The Three Doctors have never been made public.”

        How would you explain the Eye of Harmony being inside of the TARDIS?

        “You don’t get your science from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.”

        Alan, they were on everything at the time:

        I wouldn’t doubt that they were taught as a science subject at the time I was in elementary school in the 90s. I mean, they’re still a science subject today:

      • “How would you explain the Eye of Harmony being inside of the TARDIS?”

        Easy. The Doctor Who McGann movie was a reboot that only paid lip-service to the classic series. Nu Who then compounded the problem by treating the McGann movie as canon, and not as some aberration best forgotten.

      • “Easy. The Doctor Who McGann movie was a reboot that only paid lip-service to the classic series. Nu Who then compounded the problem by treating the McGann movie as canon, and not as some aberration best forgotten.”

        What about the audio dramas and literature that have McGann crossovers with the other Doctors, such as “The Light at the End”?

      • “What about the audio dramas and literature that have McGann crossovers with the other Doctors, such as “The Light at the End”?”

        What about them?

      • My point is that I don’t agree with you, and I don’t see how this movie is a reboot.

      • “My point is that I don’t agree with you, and I don’t see how this movie is a reboot.”

        Okay then go here http://www.kaldorcity.com/features/articles/telemovie.html and read points 1/2/3/7/9/13/19/20/21/22/23/24/31/34/35/36/37/38/41/45. Hope that’s helpful.

  3. No mention of the Mark Gatiss incarnation of the Doctor?

    • Originally I was gonna mention him when I talked about Doctor Who night but I thought that there was no reason as I hadnt covered Culshaw or the myriad of other comedy sketch one-off Doctors.

  4. Tegan and 6 are a good combination, shame big finish haven’t picked up on this.

    at least Dimensions in Time bothered to have all the living Doctors and the original premise even had a reason why they would look older. I do understand why the other actors objected, the 4th Doctor might be the most popular but Slyvester McCoy was still the current one at the time.

    I really like the 8th Doctor, I got into his version when it was broadcast on BBC Radio 4. He’s his own unique version with traits of the 1st, 3rd, 5th & 6th Doctors.

    I also like 7 and the development between the two incarnations.
    The silly-looking but dark manipulator becomes a dashing idealist. They both exhibit traits of the Doctor but are opposite ends of the spectrum. I do hate the half-human thing, wish they would give an on-screen retcon for that.

    It’s also funny and yet worrying how many elements from curse’ made it into the show. If they ever change the gender of the doctor Joanna Lumley is the kind of actress I would prefer.

  5. I’m very intimidated by all these comments. I can’t compete! So I’ll just say that it’s fantastic work.

  6. Poor Gareth prolly got raped after that Doctor Who Jim’ll fix it and im not joking when i say that.

    Anyway keep it up Diamanda i found this episode to be thoroughly enjoyable even though you had to remind me about Dimensions in Time which i had to take years of therapy to expunge from my memory cause it was that bad!

    I also remember curse of the fatal death and remembering that i found it quite funny and thinking how Rowan Atkinson and Richard E Grant would make great doctors.

    • “Poor Gareth prolly got raped after that Doctor Who Jim’ll fix it and im not joking when i say that.”

      It is true that Jimmy Savile is currently believed to have been a prolific child rapist, necrophile, devil worshipper and prominent member of the Freemasons, the illuminati, the Catholic Church, the IRA, the criminal underworld, while furthermore, according to David Icke, being in an alliance with shape shifting lizards from the moon (which is actually a spaceship). Savile is also accused of having accompanied the Yorkshire Ripper during his protracted murder spree during the 1970s, and later to have gone on to procure orphans from various children’s homes up and down the country so as to supply prominent members of the Royal family and a Westminster paedophile ring with fresh victims, and that this was then covered up by a country wide conspiracy that involved all the major figures of Margaret Thatcher’s government, including Thatcher herself, as well as the police, MI5, MI6, the BBC, Broadmoor mental asylum, 16 hospitals… but strangely not a single tabloid newspaper. Between five and ten years from now, people are going to look back on all this and say ‘what the fuck were we thinking?’

      And no, Gareth Jenkins was not raped by Savile, following his appearance on Jim’ll Fix It.

      • No Alan. The moon isn’t a spaceship. Icke was completely wrong about that. It’s an egg.

      • Jail1003 said, “The moon isn’t a spaceship. Icke was completely wrong about that. It’s an egg.”

        However, the moon being a spaceship is more believable.

  7. The McGann movie was my first introduction to Doctor Who. I didn’t know what make of it at the time. It kinda assumes audience familiarity with a lot stuff, so for total newbies it’s kinda just a confusing ball of WTF and thus not a good intro regardless of fidelity to the series.

    I didn’t get the impression of attraction between the Doctor and the Missy. I mean, not on the Doctor’s part: Missy was obviously completely overboard, but the Doctor was just sort of shocked and didn’t know how to process what the Missy was doing. Didn’t get the impression that it was in any way mutual.

    I agreed with Omega on the Missy in “Dark Water”: that she came off as a good female version of the classic Delgado/Ainley Master, and her weird pushy sexuality was in keeping with how the classic Master would dominate conversations by keeping people off balance, but in “Death in Heaven” she just went straight to being a female Simm/Joker Master. Now I’m convinced that either the Joker-crazy persona is Just how New Who producers actually think the Master is supposed to be, or Moffat thinks he’s locked into that by what New Who fans think the Master is thanks to RTD/Simm.

    • I didnt mean to indicate it was consentual but a sexual element was there (even if it was one-way). Moffat seemingly cant write The Doctor/ Master as opposite sexes without something sexual going on (even if its one way)

  8. I mean the John Simm Master hit on the doctor pretty hard. So I wouldn’t say that only happened when they were oposite sex. But yeah, would have been nice to see the Master kissing the Doctor back then and not only once they were oposite sex. I wonder if the BBC had a problem with that in their family program…
    Although that was still RTD-era, so your arguments towards Moffat remain consistent either way.


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